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		<title>By: 6 AM Pacific &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Satyam - the Larceny Scenario</title>
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		<dc:creator>6 AM Pacific &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Satyam - the Larceny Scenario</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jan 2009 19:38:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] they were. Instead, the promoters were stealing. This simpler explanation is something I have suspected all [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Bharat Rao</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2009/01/08/more-on-satyam/comment-page-1/#comment-15983</link>
		<dc:creator>Bharat Rao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 03:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apart from Raju&#039;s book cooking - which has been widely reported - the World bank story has been somewhat swept aside. That story had two components to it : installation of spyware and &quot;improper&quot; payments to bank employees. The latter presumably implies some kind of kickbacks paid to bank employees in return for giving channeling more work Satyam&#039;s way. That, in my opinion, will have client managements more worried than Satyam&#039;s current situation - and not just from a business continuity perspective. Was this a one-off or a pervasive practice (a la Siemens)? If it is the latter, surely a lot of people in Satyam managers would be aware of these practices. In other words, unlike the Madoff story, there are two distinct constituents here : clients and investors (of course, apart from employees). In Madoff&#039;s case, clients were the investors. In Satyam&#039;s case, the big stories pertain to how investors were taken for a ride. Is there a ticking time bomb in the other story - i..e clients (and potential improper payments?). </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apart from Raju&#039;s book cooking &#8211; which has been widely reported &#8211; the World bank story has been somewhat swept aside. That story had two components to it : installation of spyware and &quot;improper&quot; payments to bank employees. The latter presumably implies some kind of kickbacks paid to bank employees in return for giving channeling more work Satyam&#039;s way. That, in my opinion, will have client managements more worried than Satyam&#039;s current situation &#8211; and not just from a business continuity perspective. Was this a one-off or a pervasive practice (a la Siemens)? If it is the latter, surely a lot of people in Satyam managers would be aware of these practices. In other words, unlike the Madoff story, there are two distinct constituents here : clients and investors (of course, apart from employees). In Madoff&#039;s case, clients were the investors. In Satyam&#039;s case, the big stories pertain to how investors were taken for a ride. Is there a ticking time bomb in the other story &#8211; i..e clients (and potential improper payments?).</p>
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		<title>By: Mohan</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2009/01/08/more-on-satyam/comment-page-1/#comment-15980</link>
		<dc:creator>Mohan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 07:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He would have shown those extra employees also as billable. I hire 20% more people, show them as billable and show 20% extra revenue. My costs also go up by 20%. As long as you look at the cooked up numbers, everything tallies. Take out that 20% non-existent revenue, which is what people are doing when arriving at 3% margin, then margin goes for a toss. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He would have shown those extra employees also as billable. I hire 20% more people, show them as billable and show 20% extra revenue. My costs also go up by 20%. As long as you look at the cooked up numbers, everything tallies. Take out that 20% non-existent revenue, which is what people are doing when arriving at 3% margin, then margin goes for a toss.</p>
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		<title>By: Satyam horror show &#124; DesiPundit</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2009/01/08/more-on-satyam/comment-page-1/#comment-15971</link>
		<dc:creator>Satyam horror show &#124; DesiPundit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 18:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Pradhan, former Head of worldwide Sales in Infosys, thinks there is much hidden in the Satyam fraud - was this all done only to inflate earnings, was Raju the only family member involved? I think [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Brij Shah</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2009/01/08/more-on-satyam/comment-page-1/#comment-15973</link>
		<dc:creator>Brij Shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 08:04:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I second Krishna&#039;s comment above. I have long suspected the India World deal. $100 million dollars for bunch of websites did not make any sense. The money definitely was routed back in some form.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I second Krishna&#039;s comment above. I have long suspected the India World deal. $100 million dollars for bunch of websites did not make any sense. The money definitely was routed back in some form.</p>
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		<title>By: Satya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Satya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 07:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basab, 
 
With all due respect, I will have a slightly different view. Though I have posted it in my 
blog, I have posted it here as well! 
 
Satyam&#8217;s case is not one in a million; rather it is very much practiced in many Indian IT services companies. As some wise man has said it &#8211; &#8220;You are not a thief as long as you are not caught!&#8221; As far as I know, there are many following various corrupt practices and hopefully, this incidence will do some soul searching. However, I am more worried with the impact it is going to have on Indian IT Services and most important of all, whether we have learnt the real lesson in all these hustle and bustle.  
 
Short Term: 
 
1. More Hand Holding Will be Required by IT companies: 
 
Clients across the globe will now be double checking their outsourced partners after this fiasco and the western media such as NYT, WP etc. have been roughly vocal on it and some even have claimed it to be the death of outsourcing. Also the perceived lack of support the new Obama administration will now weigh heavily. 
 
Considering this backdrop, IT companies will have to try harder to sell to other companies for new contracts and convince with all the possible data to sale their company.  
 
2. The Eco-System is going to be Very polluted: 
 
I am sure that Satyam is now down the drain and if employees are smart they will seek other routes. And there comes the catch. When you have over 50,000 employees flooding the market and at the same time the market condition is very bad for jobs, the most valuable asset in any IT company (the employees) will now be sold very cheaply.  
 
The only good bet can be from some other company who is going to buy it. However, with recent statements from one company - &#8220;We are not going to buy a tainted company&#8221; &#8211; good companies may not come forward easily. Also, I believe, in such scenarios, people should refrain in making this kind of statements.  
 
3. Market confidence on IT companies is going to be Volatile: 
 
This is an era of open and wide communication available in many mediums. Prudent investors will always know about the company a bit before investing and the signs from IT companies are not positive.  
 
In one company, the executive chairman is well above the stipulated retirement age and his son has joined his team (on what basis!), and in another one the CEO of the company has been fined for selling more shares than required.  
 
Medium Term: 
 
1. Contracts solely based on Low Valuation are going to Vanish: 
 
It is no secret that Satyam has got most of its contract due to its low valuation. All its so called top tier clients have come to Satyam as its prices are much lower, sometimes even 50% lower!  
 
At the same time when the market is moving towards more fixed price projects, more IP based work etc., the day of pure cost arbitrage is almost nearing end. Also there is competition from others low cost destinations such as Vietnam, Philippines, Mexico etc.  
 
Ironically, this will be a good sign for the IT services companies in the longer run &#8211; the whole industry stated with cost advantage in mind. 
 
2. Tougher Times ahead in Y2009 and Y2010: 
 
2009 is going to the telling year for India Inc. and I expect it to continue till 2010 middle and may recover around Q3/Q4 of 2010 fiscal. Amidst all the gloom and doom and with every other company laying off, cutting costs and added to it the current scandal of Satyam, IT services companies are definitely going to have a hard time to get back on track. I do not know about the long term impact and in technology industry it is actually foolish to think of it.  
 
I do not see any impact on it on changes in Corporate Governance. Make no mistake; India is not the US, where the government bails out companies like GM, Lehman and the feds finally put in their rule in the short terms to change the status-quo. India is unique and the Govt. Of India is criminally negligent on simple day to day to living of its people &#8211; forget doing anything on Corporate Governance. Other companies are very much tuned towards to the US model of corporate and I do not see it being changed much. Rather the lesson is for all of us here.  
 
Lesson: 
 
It is easy to point finger at others and say that s/he is wrong. However, I believe, we are all part of this in one way or another. Neither do I like the statement that investor confidence will be down and they may not look back at India &#8211; a normal investor should not expect 30 % percent growth y-o-y on every IT company they invest with.  
 
It is high time that we say that it is alright to have 10% percent growth, it is alright to be sub-1 Billion Dollar Company, it is alright to have a lower package and it should start from the very people who have made 30% percent growth a foregone conclusion. I am convinced that the whole super fast growth mentality has led to this situation. 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basab, </p>
<p>With all due respect, I will have a slightly different view. Though I have posted it in my<br />
blog, I have posted it here as well! </p>
<p>Satyam&rsquo;s case is not one in a million; rather it is very much practiced in many Indian IT services companies. As some wise man has said it &ndash; &ldquo;You are not a thief as long as you are not caught!&rdquo; As far as I know, there are many following various corrupt practices and hopefully, this incidence will do some soul searching. However, I am more worried with the impact it is going to have on Indian IT Services and most important of all, whether we have learnt the real lesson in all these hustle and bustle.  </p>
<p>Short Term: </p>
<p>1. More Hand Holding Will be Required by IT companies: </p>
<p>Clients across the globe will now be double checking their outsourced partners after this fiasco and the western media such as NYT, WP etc. have been roughly vocal on it and some even have claimed it to be the death of outsourcing. Also the perceived lack of support the new Obama administration will now weigh heavily. </p>
<p>Considering this backdrop, IT companies will have to try harder to sell to other companies for new contracts and convince with all the possible data to sale their company.  </p>
<p>2. The Eco-System is going to be Very polluted: </p>
<p>I am sure that Satyam is now down the drain and if employees are smart they will seek other routes. And there comes the catch. When you have over 50,000 employees flooding the market and at the same time the market condition is very bad for jobs, the most valuable asset in any IT company (the employees) will now be sold very cheaply.  </p>
<p>The only good bet can be from some other company who is going to buy it. However, with recent statements from one company &#8211; &ldquo;We are not going to buy a tainted company&rdquo; &ndash; good companies may not come forward easily. Also, I believe, in such scenarios, people should refrain in making this kind of statements.  </p>
<p>3. Market confidence on IT companies is going to be Volatile: </p>
<p>This is an era of open and wide communication available in many mediums. Prudent investors will always know about the company a bit before investing and the signs from IT companies are not positive.  </p>
<p>In one company, the executive chairman is well above the stipulated retirement age and his son has joined his team (on what basis!), and in another one the CEO of the company has been fined for selling more shares than required.  </p>
<p>Medium Term: </p>
<p>1. Contracts solely based on Low Valuation are going to Vanish: </p>
<p>It is no secret that Satyam has got most of its contract due to its low valuation. All its so called top tier clients have come to Satyam as its prices are much lower, sometimes even 50% lower!  </p>
<p>At the same time when the market is moving towards more fixed price projects, more IP based work etc., the day of pure cost arbitrage is almost nearing end. Also there is competition from others low cost destinations such as Vietnam, Philippines, Mexico etc.  </p>
<p>Ironically, this will be a good sign for the IT services companies in the longer run &ndash; the whole industry stated with cost advantage in mind. </p>
<p>2. Tougher Times ahead in Y2009 and Y2010: </p>
<p>2009 is going to the telling year for India Inc. and I expect it to continue till 2010 middle and may recover around Q3/Q4 of 2010 fiscal. Amidst all the gloom and doom and with every other company laying off, cutting costs and added to it the current scandal of Satyam, IT services companies are definitely going to have a hard time to get back on track. I do not know about the long term impact and in technology industry it is actually foolish to think of it.  </p>
<p>I do not see any impact on it on changes in Corporate Governance. Make no mistake; India is not the US, where the government bails out companies like GM, Lehman and the feds finally put in their rule in the short terms to change the status-quo. India is unique and the Govt. Of India is criminally negligent on simple day to day to living of its people &ndash; forget doing anything on Corporate Governance. Other companies are very much tuned towards to the US model of corporate and I do not see it being changed much. Rather the lesson is for all of us here.  </p>
<p>Lesson: </p>
<p>It is easy to point finger at others and say that s/he is wrong. However, I believe, we are all part of this in one way or another. Neither do I like the statement that investor confidence will be down and they may not look back at India &ndash; a normal investor should not expect 30 % percent growth y-o-y on every IT company they invest with.  </p>
<p>It is high time that we say that it is alright to have 10% percent growth, it is alright to be sub-1 Billion Dollar Company, it is alright to have a lower package and it should start from the very people who have made 30% percent growth a foregone conclusion. I am convinced that the whole super fast growth mentality has led to this situation.</p>
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		<title>By: Ramesh Srivats</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ramesh Srivats</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The chairman could use defence 2.0. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rameshsrivats.net/2009/01/satyam-chairman-on-trial.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;http://www.rameshsrivats.net/2009/01/satyam-chair...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The chairman could use defence 2.0. <a href="http://www.rameshsrivats.net/2009/01/satyam-chairman-on-trial.html" target="_blank"></a><a href="http://www.rameshsrivats.net/2009/01/satyam-chair.." rel="nofollow">http://www.rameshsrivats.net/2009/01/satyam-chair..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Krishna</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2009/01/08/more-on-satyam/comment-page-1/#comment-15959</link>
		<dc:creator>Krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 06:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly there is more to it than meets the eye... I even begin to suspect whether money ($115 million in 1999 $) did really change hands in SATYAM - INDIAWORLD deal... Rajesh Jain, the seller had he received that kind of money in full, would have gone much beyond floating a nondescript Netcore solutions and limping along with it.  Hardly the stuff creative enterpreneurs will put up with, especially if it&#039;s a windfall of the kind he got.  My vibes tell me that 10% (even that&#039;s a big deal for a portal like bawarchi.com, khel /khoj.com etc. back in 1999) would&#039;ve been paid up, balance would&#039;ve been stashed away in secret accounts of Raju and family. 
 
Yet another piece of the puzzle is how they built out fabulous real estate across geographies if all those revenues, earnings and cash balances were all cooked up.  Who knows, true to tech traditions, Raju may even turn around and say all of that is an illusion, kind of &lt;a href=&quot;http://gpsurvivalkit.blogspot.com/2009/01/asatyam-computers-books-werent-cooked.html&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot;&gt;3D virtual reality &lt;/a&gt;gotten way too real. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly there is more to it than meets the eye&#8230; I even begin to suspect whether money ($115 million in 1999 $) did really change hands in SATYAM &#8211; INDIAWORLD deal&#8230; Rajesh Jain, the seller had he received that kind of money in full, would have gone much beyond floating a nondescript Netcore solutions and limping along with it.  Hardly the stuff creative enterpreneurs will put up with, especially if it&#039;s a windfall of the kind he got.  My vibes tell me that 10% (even that&#039;s a big deal for a portal like bawarchi.com, khel /khoj.com etc. back in 1999) would&#039;ve been paid up, balance would&#039;ve been stashed away in secret accounts of Raju and family. </p>
<p>Yet another piece of the puzzle is how they built out fabulous real estate across geographies if all those revenues, earnings and cash balances were all cooked up.  Who knows, true to tech traditions, Raju may even turn around and say all of that is an illusion, kind of <a href="http://gpsurvivalkit.blogspot.com/2009/01/asatyam-computers-books-werent-cooked.html" target="_blank">3D virtual reality </a>gotten way too real.</p>
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		<title>By: msathia</title>
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		<dc:creator>msathia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>\Well for one, every CIO of Satyam&#8217;s client companies will be wondering if the people from his company who were involved in the selection of Satyam did so entirely on the merits of their proposal\.  
This is the harshest fact of today not only for Satyam but for whole of IT industry. Every services company out there need to prove their management is transparent . Trusted partner has no meaning at least right now.  
 
I just pity the client facing people of Satyam in days to come.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>\Well for one, every CIO of Satyam&rsquo;s client companies will be wondering if the people from his company who were involved in the selection of Satyam did so entirely on the merits of their proposal\.<br />
This is the harshest fact of today not only for Satyam but for whole of IT industry. Every services company out there need to prove their management is transparent . Trusted partner has no meaning at least right now.  </p>
<p>I just pity the client facing people of Satyam in days to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Basab Pradhan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Basab Pradhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>then utilization numbers (billed headcount/ billable headcount) would be way off. why not just lie about the headcount instead of hiring people? Although you may be right. Billed headcount is not a number that too many people in the company will know. Total headcount is much more public. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>then utilization numbers (billed headcount/ billable headcount) would be way off. why not just lie about the headcount instead of hiring people? Although you may be right. Billed headcount is not a number that too many people in the company will know. Total headcount is much more public.</p>
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