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	<title>Comments on: Sound and Fury &#8211; the 123 Agreement</title>
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		<title>By: Diwakar Muthu</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/08/19/sound-and-fury-the-123-agreement/comment-page-1/#comment-7327</link>
		<dc:creator>Diwakar Muthu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basab, I would like to add to what you have said. Infact there has been joint committee sessions within the UPA and they had indeed appraised the Left of the happenings with respect to the Nuclear deal.... But rather than taking potshot at our respected PM, why not blame the left for not asking questions at the appropriate time when the negotiations were going along...

Perhaps the media also blew and burst it before it became operational and the Indian media needs to have a consensus on such critical issues and what to broadcast and what not to broadcast. Infact, I was watching one such program with 2 spokesperson of either parties and they were just vindicating their stand rather can discussing the point and eventually it was big political gimmick to gather votes.

Your observation of the Left being an outdated party is right. It might be true that they are the only party that diligently audits their accounts, perhaps they can have a frequent intellectual audit of their thought processes as well. For them it is always about pensions, gratuity, strike and at times looking at the China and Pak story from a strategic view piont.

How does the US and other Western countries tackle such problems. Simple keep the press out of the equation. In India it is at the forefront of it with different opinions and thoughts</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basab, I would like to add to what you have said. Infact there has been joint committee sessions within the UPA and they had indeed appraised the Left of the happenings with respect to the Nuclear deal&#8230;. But rather than taking potshot at our respected PM, why not blame the left for not asking questions at the appropriate time when the negotiations were going along&#8230;</p>
<p>Perhaps the media also blew and burst it before it became operational and the Indian media needs to have a consensus on such critical issues and what to broadcast and what not to broadcast. Infact, I was watching one such program with 2 spokesperson of either parties and they were just vindicating their stand rather can discussing the point and eventually it was big political gimmick to gather votes.</p>
<p>Your observation of the Left being an outdated party is right. It might be true that they are the only party that diligently audits their accounts, perhaps they can have a frequent intellectual audit of their thought processes as well. For them it is always about pensions, gratuity, strike and at times looking at the China and Pak story from a strategic view piont.</p>
<p>How does the US and other Western countries tackle such problems. Simple keep the press out of the equation. In India it is at the forefront of it with different opinions and thoughts</p>
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		<title>By: Harish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 11:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more with you when you mentioned about the communication levels of problems or even interests the politicians in india have.

Mr. PM&#039;s speech was expected to answer questions raised or atleast cool down the opposition. But instead he chose to go it the hard way like saying we meddled so much and got this, you take it or leave it. obvious enough all opposition and CPI(M) are making sure he has more bad worrying days ahead of him on this issue because he said that phrase which was so unfortunate for a leader.

What people get is bad representation of them at the world stage. you call them, layout a plan, send them saying everything is fine, and later fight inside and cancel it and live happy like nothing happened. 

Some years back they interviewed people responsible for the bofors deal (non-indians side of it i mean). one of the interviews was of the director of the arms company that sold india the bofors. 

i remember he said something like this, &quot;india has paid us for the guns, the technology, and training on setting up and manufacturing more of it themselves.. but so far only the guns  were transacted. the rest they haven&#039;t bothered to get from us though they paid for it.. it is because of all the issues with the deal.&quot;

politicians though always crib that &quot;5 years is too less to do anything and it goes off in ensuring we get reelected for the next 5&quot;, they seem to internally take it as a convenience to get away with things.

but, i have seen that the scene is same even in developed countries like the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more with you when you mentioned about the communication levels of problems or even interests the politicians in india have.</p>
<p>Mr. PM&#8217;s speech was expected to answer questions raised or atleast cool down the opposition. But instead he chose to go it the hard way like saying we meddled so much and got this, you take it or leave it. obvious enough all opposition and CPI(M) are making sure he has more bad worrying days ahead of him on this issue because he said that phrase which was so unfortunate for a leader.</p>
<p>What people get is bad representation of them at the world stage. you call them, layout a plan, send them saying everything is fine, and later fight inside and cancel it and live happy like nothing happened. </p>
<p>Some years back they interviewed people responsible for the bofors deal (non-indians side of it i mean). one of the interviews was of the director of the arms company that sold india the bofors. </p>
<p>i remember he said something like this, &#8220;india has paid us for the guns, the technology, and training on setting up and manufacturing more of it themselves.. but so far only the guns  were transacted. the rest they haven&#8217;t bothered to get from us though they paid for it.. it is because of all the issues with the deal.&#8221;</p>
<p>politicians though always crib that &#8220;5 years is too less to do anything and it goes off in ensuring we get reelected for the next 5&#8243;, they seem to internally take it as a convenience to get away with things.</p>
<p>but, i have seen that the scene is same even in developed countries like the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Sandeep Srivastava</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sandeep Srivastava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 06:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The job of a political leader is to take an issue of National/Internation concern , no matter how complex and gather mass momentum for it by taking the issue in public forums etc. e.g. the BJP government build up momentum for Kargil war etc. But the current government is devoid of any mass leaders and totaly lacks the ability to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The job of a political leader is to take an issue of National/Internation concern , no matter how complex and gather mass momentum for it by taking the issue in public forums etc. e.g. the BJP government build up momentum for Kargil war etc. But the current government is devoid of any mass leaders and totaly lacks the ability to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: Aparna Muralidhar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aparna Muralidhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 05:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t agree more with you about effective communication.  I very strongly feel that the root of all our problems especially in large organizations is that people spend very little time explaining why things are done the way they are.  As you say, this is a complex deal that the layman cannot understand and so each of us have our own take on it (you can read my opinion - if interested - here: http://amuralidhar.blogspot.com/2007/08/caveat-emptor-or-life-liberty-and.html).  I think one of the main reasons why we&#039;re always waiting in the wings for center stage is because India&#039;s tremendous talent has no unifying language that will articulate our wealth to the world.  Our suppressed potential is our greatest tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with you about effective communication.  I very strongly feel that the root of all our problems especially in large organizations is that people spend very little time explaining why things are done the way they are.  As you say, this is a complex deal that the layman cannot understand and so each of us have our own take on it (you can read my opinion &#8211; if interested &#8211; here: <a href="http://amuralidhar.blogspot.com/2007/08/caveat-emptor-or-life-liberty-and.html)" rel="nofollow">http://amuralidhar.blogspot.com/2007/08/caveat-emptor-or-life-liberty-and.html)</a>.  I think one of the main reasons why we&#8217;re always waiting in the wings for center stage is because India&#8217;s tremendous talent has no unifying language that will articulate our wealth to the world.  Our suppressed potential is our greatest tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: krishna</title>
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		<dc:creator>krishna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:09:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow the word `nuclear’ evokes the image of a `bomb’ to most politicians –especially the Left that feels India is mortgaging its bomb making rights to US under 123 - and little else.  They need to be explained on energy security that 123 agreement seeks to provide by a significant easing of the uranium shortage in the country; This will ensure that current plants of the Department of Atomic Energy that are placed under safeguards will be able to operate without any shortfalls in fuel supply leading to an improvement in their plant load factors. 

A second, slightly longer term, benefit is that new imported plants can be set up by Indian companies in partnership with foreign companies. These plants can be much larger, ranging in size from 1,000 MWe to 1,600 MWe. Since nuclear plants enjoy significant economies of scale, larger plants will be able to produce power much more cheaply than smaller plants and make them more competitive with electricity produced from coal or natural gas. In a power starved country like ours, it’s not much different from oxygen.

News Channels resemble soaps since they are not assured of a juicy TRP even if they manage to get groups of eminent scientists, lawyers, journos and commentators to come together on air. Our TV viewers, like elsewhere in the world, are happy with reality shows and the like… Who cares for insightful documentaries or news feeds? 
 
It also brings new meaning to A.J. Liebling&#039;s maxim that freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. So it’s wheels within wheels….</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow the word `nuclear’ evokes the image of a `bomb’ to most politicians –especially the Left that feels India is mortgaging its bomb making rights to US under 123 &#8211; and little else.  They need to be explained on energy security that 123 agreement seeks to provide by a significant easing of the uranium shortage in the country; This will ensure that current plants of the Department of Atomic Energy that are placed under safeguards will be able to operate without any shortfalls in fuel supply leading to an improvement in their plant load factors. </p>
<p>A second, slightly longer term, benefit is that new imported plants can be set up by Indian companies in partnership with foreign companies. These plants can be much larger, ranging in size from 1,000 MWe to 1,600 MWe. Since nuclear plants enjoy significant economies of scale, larger plants will be able to produce power much more cheaply than smaller plants and make them more competitive with electricity produced from coal or natural gas. In a power starved country like ours, it’s not much different from oxygen.</p>
<p>News Channels resemble soaps since they are not assured of a juicy TRP even if they manage to get groups of eminent scientists, lawyers, journos and commentators to come together on air. Our TV viewers, like elsewhere in the world, are happy with reality shows and the like… Who cares for insightful documentaries or news feeds? </p>
<p>It also brings new meaning to A.J. Liebling&#8217;s maxim that freedom of the press belongs to those who own one. So it’s wheels within wheels….</p>
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		<title>By: Siddharth</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/08/19/sound-and-fury-the-123-agreement/comment-page-1/#comment-7305</link>
		<dc:creator>Siddharth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 23:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or Mr. Singh realizes that educating from the Red Fort is futile. It was a sensitive issue and our political lot would have surely extracted undue mileage from his well intentioned words. The business of education is also the media&#039;s, who we know is a reflection of the country&#039;s appetite. So, we all are getting what we really are. If there is a market for no-nonsense news, sooner or later, some channel will fill the gap. e.g. Tehelka fed a segment of particular market demand, Stardust has been feeding another for bored housewives, SunTV yet another, Outlook started as being different from India Today -- and i don&#039;t know how different it really is today. Another thing to note today is that media today is unlimited - this blog site is a small example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or Mr. Singh realizes that educating from the Red Fort is futile. It was a sensitive issue and our political lot would have surely extracted undue mileage from his well intentioned words. The business of education is also the media&#8217;s, who we know is a reflection of the country&#8217;s appetite. So, we all are getting what we really are. If there is a market for no-nonsense news, sooner or later, some channel will fill the gap. e.g. Tehelka fed a segment of particular market demand, Stardust has been feeding another for bored housewives, SunTV yet another, Outlook started as being different from India Today &#8212; and i don&#8217;t know how different it really is today. Another thing to note today is that media today is unlimited &#8211; this blog site is a small example.</p>
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		<title>By: Chaitanya Sagar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chaitanya Sagar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 18:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post has given me more insights than what a TV channel can offer in an hour. (That&#039;s the reason I don&#039;t have cable at home!) Other than poor content, what bothered me was content-to-ads ratio. If you manage to pick one or two good programs per channel (assuming you managed to filter &quot;breaking news&quot; like &#039;someone-kissed-someone&#039;), content gets served during breaks and you have ads for rest of time. Unless you have an iTunes-like, on-demand aggregator, it takes too much time for us to organize ourselves without getting lost in channels and ads. 

With sketchy information about 123 agreement and after pouring through some interviews with nuclear scientists, I think, as you rightly mentioned, the real issue is about educating the politicians and &#039;aam junta&#039; about the agreement. Mr.Singh could not have gotten another issue of such national importance to face the people and make a case in its favor. He had just lost another opportunity to educate India from atop the Red Fort. We have good reasons to be disappointed with the country&#039;s leadership.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post has given me more insights than what a TV channel can offer in an hour. (That&#8217;s the reason I don&#8217;t have cable at home!) Other than poor content, what bothered me was content-to-ads ratio. If you manage to pick one or two good programs per channel (assuming you managed to filter &#8220;breaking news&#8221; like &#8217;someone-kissed-someone&#8217;), content gets served during breaks and you have ads for rest of time. Unless you have an iTunes-like, on-demand aggregator, it takes too much time for us to organize ourselves without getting lost in channels and ads. </p>
<p>With sketchy information about 123 agreement and after pouring through some interviews with nuclear scientists, I think, as you rightly mentioned, the real issue is about educating the politicians and &#8216;aam junta&#8217; about the agreement. Mr.Singh could not have gotten another issue of such national importance to face the people and make a case in its favor. He had just lost another opportunity to educate India from atop the Red Fort. We have good reasons to be disappointed with the country&#8217;s leadership.</p>
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		<title>By: monideepa</title>
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		<dc:creator>monideepa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Aug 2007 15:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Like a soap opera it is low on content, high on drama but the acting is terrible.&quot; Agree with your view on TV newsreporting in India. Too many channels vying to make news as much of a &#039;tamasha&#039; as possible to draw in the front bench, pakora munching-while-they watch-the world-go up-in-flames crowd.

There is also some insensitivity in the way disasters and their victims are handled.

About politicians, what can I say excpet that they are our chosen leaders. Perhaps we deserve what we get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Like a soap opera it is low on content, high on drama but the acting is terrible.&#8221; Agree with your view on TV newsreporting in India. Too many channels vying to make news as much of a &#8216;tamasha&#8217; as possible to draw in the front bench, pakora munching-while-they watch-the world-go up-in-flames crowd.</p>
<p>There is also some insensitivity in the way disasters and their victims are handled.</p>
<p>About politicians, what can I say excpet that they are our chosen leaders. Perhaps we deserve what we get.</p>
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