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	<description>Basab Pradhan's weblog about business and life in a 'flat world'.  6 AM Pacific is the best time for a global conference call.</description>
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		<title>By: raj</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-7218</link>
		<dc:creator>raj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 11:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basab, in mumbai, if you are travelling with only 1 bag and 1 carry on - you dont even need to put it through the scanner.. you walk right through. Only if you carry more than one bag, you put it through the scanner - go figure..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basab, in mumbai, if you are travelling with only 1 bag and 1 carry on - you dont even need to put it through the scanner.. you walk right through. Only if you carry more than one bag, you put it through the scanner - go figure..</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6916</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2007 19:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The caveat being 'where possible'. In small countries trains are a viable option; in India, less so. Bangalore-Delhi by train is between 36-42 hours, by flight just  3 hours incl time to and fro airports. I once had the good fortune of taking the train from Bangalore to Delhi. Needless to say the return journey was made my flight, forfeting the train ticket monies...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The caveat being &#8216;where possible&#8217;. In small countries trains are a viable option; in India, less so. Bangalore-Delhi by train is between 36-42 hours, by flight just  3 hours incl time to and fro airports. I once had the good fortune of taking the train from Bangalore to Delhi. Needless to say the return journey was made my flight, forfeting the train ticket monies&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anuradha</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6900</link>
		<dc:creator>Anuradha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 03:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Train travel, wherever possible is definitely a more welcome experience than Air travel. I recently wrote a piece on Rail Vs Air travel in India

http://anuradhagoyal.blogspot.com/2007/07/short-travels-rail-vs-air-thought-for.html

-Anu</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Train travel, wherever possible is definitely a more welcome experience than Air travel. I recently wrote a piece on Rail Vs Air travel in India</p>
<p><a href="http://anuradhagoyal.blogspot.com/2007/07/short-travels-rail-vs-air-thought-for.html" rel="nofollow">http://anuradhagoyal.blogspot.com/2007/07/short-travels-rail-vs-air-thought-for.html</a></p>
<p>-Anu</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6787</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And for a moment of schadenfreude, here for your reading pleasure is a scathing post of woes at Heathrow:

http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/07/03/Avoid-Heathrow</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And for a moment of schadenfreude, here for your reading pleasure is a scathing post of woes at Heathrow:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/07/03/Avoid-Heathrow" rel="nofollow">http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2007/07/03/Avoid-Heathrow</a></p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6727</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 12:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saumitri, the remark about the casual observer was made in jest and hence the smiley emoticon. Humour, especially irony, clearly does not transmit well on the Internet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saumitri, the remark about the casual observer was made in jest and hence the smiley emoticon. Humour, especially irony, clearly does not transmit well on the Internet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Saumitri</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6726</link>
		<dc:creator>Saumitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basab, my comment isn't intended to negate your experience. It was intended as a counterpoint, since I know a lot of people read this blog. So both impressions have their place, which is why I like the medium of a blog.

Shefaly, your articulation is contradictory. You talk about "the casual observer who may not have visited the US and therefore not known" and then talk about "striving for excellence...a solitary journey where one must only compare with oneself...". Ofcourse, I wholeheartedly agree with your latter articulation of comparison with oneself while striving for excellence.

We must realize that though India's move towards excellence in areas such as infrastructure may not be as fast as, for example, China's, the reason is that things happen in democracy rather slowly and by consensus. This is the price you have to pay for democracy. The question is whether we want to give up on our democratic institutions and STABLE growth - be the turtle or the hare.

Ofcourse, if you have got used to good service, the service at Mumbai airport may seem cumbersome right now. But the service culture is catching on in India and soon you will not have to wait at the counters - the only question then will be whether you are willing to shell out the commission money for the same. As of now, we don't get good service in India because we don't value service and often assume it to come for free - a carryover from our enslaved past where the British and their babus got free service from their slaves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basab, my comment isn&#8217;t intended to negate your experience. It was intended as a counterpoint, since I know a lot of people read this blog. So both impressions have their place, which is why I like the medium of a blog.</p>
<p>Shefaly, your articulation is contradictory. You talk about &#8220;the casual observer who may not have visited the US and therefore not known&#8221; and then talk about &#8220;striving for excellence&#8230;a solitary journey where one must only compare with oneself&#8230;&#8221;. Ofcourse, I wholeheartedly agree with your latter articulation of comparison with oneself while striving for excellence.</p>
<p>We must realize that though India&#8217;s move towards excellence in areas such as infrastructure may not be as fast as, for example, China&#8217;s, the reason is that things happen in democracy rather slowly and by consensus. This is the price you have to pay for democracy. The question is whether we want to give up on our democratic institutions and STABLE growth - be the turtle or the hare.</p>
<p>Ofcourse, if you have got used to good service, the service at Mumbai airport may seem cumbersome right now. But the service culture is catching on in India and soon you will not have to wait at the counters - the only question then will be whether you are willing to shell out the commission money for the same. As of now, we don&#8217;t get good service in India because we don&#8217;t value service and often assume it to come for free - a carryover from our enslaved past where the British and their babus got free service from their slaves.</p>
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		<title>By: Shefaly</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6725</link>
		<dc:creator>Shefaly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 08:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually as far as I can see, only *I* said anything which can be considered remotely 'derogatory' (by thin-skinned folks I may add) about Bombay airport. If one were to arrive at a time, when the counters were not open and were to be stuck without any money, I do not think any love for India could be elicited from that person in such a situation. 

As for comparisons with other airports, my 'home' airport is Heathrow. Enough said! To me, it does not matter what others do. 'My neighbour beats my wife' is never an excuse for beating your own wife! 

Striving for excellence - whether as an individual or as a country - is a solitary journey where one must only compare with oneself, and where one must, to follow that old adage, 'charaiveti, charaiveti'... 

And yes, infrastructurally, India still has a long way to go. Airports are just one part of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually as far as I can see, only *I* said anything which can be considered remotely &#8216;derogatory&#8217; (by thin-skinned folks I may add) about Bombay airport. If one were to arrive at a time, when the counters were not open and were to be stuck without any money, I do not think any love for India could be elicited from that person in such a situation. </p>
<p>As for comparisons with other airports, my &#8216;home&#8217; airport is Heathrow. Enough said! To me, it does not matter what others do. &#8216;My neighbour beats my wife&#8217; is never an excuse for beating your own wife! </p>
<p>Striving for excellence - whether as an individual or as a country - is a solitary journey where one must only compare with oneself, and where one must, to follow that old adage, &#8216;charaiveti, charaiveti&#8217;&#8230; </p>
<p>And yes, infrastructurally, India still has a long way to go. Airports are just one part of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: ravi</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6723</link>
		<dc:creator>ravi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Adding fuel to the fire, what about american corporations ripping you off by sending you unwanted subscriptions and then billing you, if you don't opt out ..and then sending a collection agency to threaten you with messing up your credit history?

Or mysteriously jacking up ypur credit card rates ?

As Saumitri says, US corporations are master's at putting a spin on something which is patently unethical and unfair..

So just blaming Indians isn't fair. Its the same all over the world !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Adding fuel to the fire, what about american corporations ripping you off by sending you unwanted subscriptions and then billing you, if you don&#8217;t opt out ..and then sending a collection agency to threaten you with messing up your credit history?</p>
<p>Or mysteriously jacking up ypur credit card rates ?</p>
<p>As Saumitri says, US corporations are master&#8217;s at putting a spin on something which is patently unethical and unfair..</p>
<p>So just blaming Indians isn&#8217;t fair. Its the same all over the world !</p>
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		<title>By: Basab</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6722</link>
		<dc:creator>Basab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 05:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>US airport security is now so tedious that I'd rather visit the dentist. NYC to Boston, which I do often, the train is a more pleasant experience and door-to-door about the same. What we need is faster trains and video-conferencing.

Saumitri, I try to be even-handed in my evaluation, when I do it. The first part of my post is actually complimentary to what Mumbai airport has done. But since this post wasn't an examination of honesty around the world, just a description of my experience at the airport, I can't be faulted for not looking at dishonesty around the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US airport security is now so tedious that I&#8217;d rather visit the dentist. NYC to Boston, which I do often, the train is a more pleasant experience and door-to-door about the same. What we need is faster trains and video-conferencing.</p>
<p>Saumitri, I try to be even-handed in my evaluation, when I do it. The first part of my post is actually complimentary to what Mumbai airport has done. But since this post wasn&#8217;t an examination of honesty around the world, just a description of my experience at the airport, I can&#8217;t be faulted for not looking at dishonesty around the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Saumitri</title>
		<link>http://6ampacific.com/2007/06/27/in-mumbai/#comment-6717</link>
		<dc:creator>Saumitri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 12:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Potshots against India is common, but there are good sides too. 

Atleast Indian airport security doesn't strip you till your shoes (and yet make you go through scanners) everytime you need to board an aircraft, domestic or otherwise, as the American airports do. 

And then, everytime I have landed in Baltimore, all my Indian sub-continent co-passengers and I have been retained for over 15 mins (some for 45 mins) and asked the same questions over and over again, while all the others were allowed to go through in less than a min, irrespective of the country they had a passport from. So paranoid is America of immigration and terrorism. 

On the other hand, people have immigrated to India for ages and still do from our neighboring countries. Terrorism is something we deal with everyday. Yet, we still deal with it without paranoia, and don't discriminate as blatantly as they do in the US.

And as far as shortchanging is concerned, if we were willing to pay the services industry their due commission in India, I guess the motivation to short-change would have been missing. But then, while the Japanese taxi driver in San Francisco decided to "voluntarily" keep $7 as a tip for a $40 ride and smile at me to inform me that I shouldn't object to it (which i did), I see no reason why this basic human instinct of "cheating" should be so indignantly opposed by Indians in India, just because its not called a "tip" or "commission" and therefore not made sufficiently dignified.

My experience has been that human instincts are same everywhere - just that our economic situation is yet not as dignified where we can cook up dignified methods of cheating. Once we become sufficiently dignified economically, we will obviously adopt the more dignified cheating methods employed in the US and other places.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Potshots against India is common, but there are good sides too. </p>
<p>Atleast Indian airport security doesn&#8217;t strip you till your shoes (and yet make you go through scanners) everytime you need to board an aircraft, domestic or otherwise, as the American airports do. </p>
<p>And then, everytime I have landed in Baltimore, all my Indian sub-continent co-passengers and I have been retained for over 15 mins (some for 45 mins) and asked the same questions over and over again, while all the others were allowed to go through in less than a min, irrespective of the country they had a passport from. So paranoid is America of immigration and terrorism. </p>
<p>On the other hand, people have immigrated to India for ages and still do from our neighboring countries. Terrorism is something we deal with everyday. Yet, we still deal with it without paranoia, and don&#8217;t discriminate as blatantly as they do in the US.</p>
<p>And as far as shortchanging is concerned, if we were willing to pay the services industry their due commission in India, I guess the motivation to short-change would have been missing. But then, while the Japanese taxi driver in San Francisco decided to &#8220;voluntarily&#8221; keep $7 as a tip for a $40 ride and smile at me to inform me that I shouldn&#8217;t object to it (which i did), I see no reason why this basic human instinct of &#8220;cheating&#8221; should be so indignantly opposed by Indians in India, just because its not called a &#8220;tip&#8221; or &#8220;commission&#8221; and therefore not made sufficiently dignified.</p>
<p>My experience has been that human instincts are same everywhere - just that our economic situation is yet not as dignified where we can cook up dignified methods of cheating. Once we become sufficiently dignified economically, we will obviously adopt the more dignified cheating methods employed in the US and other places.</p>
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