Comments on: Green Guilt http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/ Meandering Musings on Globalization Tue, 07 Feb 2012 21:29:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.1 By: David http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-337 David Sat, 25 Nov 2006 11:40:38 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-337 You really cannot be too serious about "energy & green thinking matter to us", or you would NEVER buy a car thar gets 17 mpg. I would ease up a wee bit if the car were used, but if purchased new, don't allow yourself to feel too good about a $50 donation. That 17 mpg IS the problem, and 50 bucks is not going to make a dent in the amount of EXTRA pollution and greenhouse gasses that will be emitted compared to a car that got 34 MPG ( which still leaves you quite a few choices, if you are not a Prius fan @ 50+ mpg ). THE CAR YOU DRIVE IS ONE OF THE EASIEST & LARGEST IMPACT CHOICES AN INDIVIDUAL CAN MAKE. You really cannot be too serious about “energy & green thinking matter to us”, or you would NEVER buy a car thar gets 17 mpg. I would ease up a wee bit if the car were used, but if purchased new, don’t allow yourself to feel too good about a $50 donation. That 17 mpg IS the problem, and 50 bucks is not going to make a dent in the amount of EXTRA pollution and greenhouse gasses that will be emitted compared to a car that got 34 MPG ( which still leaves you quite a few choices, if you are not a Prius fan @ 50+ mpg ). THE CAR YOU DRIVE IS ONE OF THE EASIEST & LARGEST IMPACT CHOICES AN INDIVIDUAL CAN MAKE.

]]> By: Jay http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-106 Jay Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:43:16 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-106 check this article.. <a href="http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7252897" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=7252897</a> check this article..

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]]> By: Blogging at midnight http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-105 Blogging at midnight Fri, 14 Jul 2006 05:32:14 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-105 This brings back teenage memories for me... I come from a orthodox Indian family with several customs that one had to keep up with on a daily basis. Invariably someone breaks a rule or misses doing something when one is supposed to. I had this uncle who used to have a work-around to offset the wrath of the gods for virtually any rule that one had to break...(oh, sprinkle some ganga jal or keep 50 rs. aside for tirupathi - that should take care of it). This sounds like one of my uncle's ideas....a great way to absolve yourself of your accountability to this planet. As cool as carbon neutrality sounds, (and I agree it is better than doing nothing and driving that suv around), does'nt it make having clean air a very expensive affair for all of us? I get to buy a gaz-guzzler, pollute the air, and pay some one else who has an expensive bureacracy at work to invest in cleaning up the air to rid myself of guilt? Hip yes, Smart - hmm??? This brings back teenage memories for me… I come from a orthodox Indian family with several customs that one had to keep up with on a daily basis. Invariably someone breaks a rule or misses doing something when one is supposed to. I had this uncle who used to have a work-around to offset the wrath of the gods for virtually any rule that one had to break…(oh, sprinkle some ganga jal or keep 50 rs. aside for tirupathi – that should take care of it).

This sounds like one of my uncle’s ideas….a great way to absolve yourself of your accountability to this planet.

As cool as carbon neutrality sounds, (and I agree it is better than doing nothing and driving that suv around), does’nt it make having clean air a very expensive affair for all of us?

I get to buy a gaz-guzzler, pollute the air, and pay some one else who has an expensive bureacracy at work to invest in cleaning up the air to rid myself of guilt?

Hip yes, Smart – hmm???

]]> By: Karan http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-104 Karan Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:06:52 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-104 Let me respond to the second comment before I address the first. Terapass invests a large fraction of the $50 in funding carbon reduction projects-- I beleive everything except some administrative expenses, which are of the order of a single percentage point. All these expenses are audited by multiple repsected environemental auditors (such as green-e). More details can be found on the TerraPass website <a href="http://www.terrapass.com/projects.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrapass.com/projects.html</a> As far as the quality of projects goes, TerraPass does not invest in any project that can "earn" carbon credits. TerraPass only invests in projects that it (and thrid parties) certifiably visit and verify. Hence all their projects are based in the US. They have also restricted the technologies they invest in, avoiding anything with the slightest question. TerraPass does not invest in any project which claims it can earn carbon credits. Drawing the equivalnce between carbon reduction and taking care of the elderly is dubious. Soicetal ambitions with respect to taking care of the elderly, children should be such that we take care of *all* children and *all* elders. An unfair metric in this context would be the total number of elders cared, but should be %age of elders not cared for. In contrast, with respect to carbon emission what we care about is total number of carbon emitted (since all carbon goes up in the atmosphere and pretty much has the same effect). The environamental impact is directly related to the total pounds of carbon emitted, thus reducing emissions form one source while increasing them form another source is actually working along the dimension we care about. Taking care of elders and reducing carbons are not similar objectives- they are assocaited with different functional relatiosnhips to outcomes and such comparisons are dubious. Karan Let me respond to the second comment before I address the first.

Terapass invests a large fraction of the $50 in funding carbon reduction projects– I beleive everything except some administrative expenses, which are of the order of a single percentage point. All these expenses are audited by multiple repsected environemental auditors (such as green-e). More details can be found on the TerraPass website http://www.terrapass.com/projects.html
As far as the quality of projects goes, TerraPass does not invest in any project that can “earn” carbon credits. TerraPass only invests in projects that it (and thrid parties) certifiably visit and verify. Hence all their projects are based in the US. They have also restricted the technologies they invest in, avoiding anything with the slightest question. TerraPass does not invest in any project which claims it can earn carbon credits.

Drawing the equivalnce between carbon reduction and taking care of the elderly is dubious. Soicetal ambitions with respect to taking care of the elderly, children should be such that we take care of *all* children and *all* elders. An unfair metric in this context would be the total number of elders cared, but should be %age of elders not cared for. In contrast, with respect to carbon emission what we care about is total number of carbon emitted (since all carbon goes up in the atmosphere and pretty much has the same effect). The environamental impact is directly related to the total pounds of carbon emitted, thus reducing emissions form one source while increasing them form another source is actually working along the dimension we care about. Taking care of elders and reducing carbons are not similar objectives- they are assocaited with different functional relatiosnhips to outcomes and such comparisons are dubious.

Karan

]]> By: random http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-103 random Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:17:26 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-103 Terrapass is a marketing gimmick to play on people's guilt.. I doubt if they use even 10% of the money raised for reducing emissions. You would be apalled to know the kind of projects which gain carbon credits.. Terrapass is a marketing gimmick to play on people’s guilt.. I doubt if they use even 10% of the money raised for reducing emissions. You would be apalled to know the kind of projects which gain carbon credits..

]]> By: Harish B http://6ampacific.com/2006/06/19/green-guilt/comment-page-1/#comment-102 Harish B Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:19:08 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=23#comment-102 Forgive me for being harsh, can we be happy by donating some money for helpage india while our old parents are helpless at their home? carbon credits are like that only isnt it? Forgive me for being harsh, can we be happy by donating some money for helpage india while our old parents are helpless at their home?
carbon credits are like that only isnt it?

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