Comments on: Class action lawsuit against TCS http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/ Basab Pradhan's weblog about business and life in a 'flat world'. 6 AM Pacific is the best time for a global conference call. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 21:29:35 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Firoz http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-6449 Firoz Wed, 30 May 2007 23:03:02 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-6449 The TCS ex-employees that are part of this lawsuit have had a minor victory last month - read this for more details - http://www.lieffcabraser.com/press_releases/20070314-lawsuit-against-tata-press.htm The TCS ex-employees that are part of this lawsuit have had a minor victory last month - read this for more details -
http://www.lieffcabraser.com/press_releases/20070314-lawsuit-against-tata-press.htm

]]> By: UK TCSer http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-5843 UK TCSer Mon, 02 Apr 2007 22:09:59 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-5843 Hi All, A worthy enough discussion !! I am in UK and I feel that the Indian companies give a better breakup of the salary in India than they provide on-site. In UK they term it as the "Allowance" and not the salary !! God knows what happens with the IT returns since we dont do anything with the returns filing. Heard that Infosys, returns the tax paid per employee in UK, when the employee returns to India which amounts to about 300£ per month ( a big amount !! ). Dont understand why the companies tend to hide this information from people who make the face of this company in front of the world !!! Hi All,
A worthy enough discussion !!
I am in UK and I feel that the Indian companies give a better breakup of the salary in India than they provide on-site.
In UK they term it as the “Allowance” and not the salary !!
God knows what happens with the IT returns since we dont do anything with the returns filing.
Heard that Infosys, returns the tax paid per employee in UK, when the employee returns to India which amounts to about 300£ per month ( a big amount !! ).
Dont understand why the companies tend to hide this information from people who make the face of this company in front of the world !!!

]]> By: TCS employee http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-5670 TCS employee Fri, 16 Mar 2007 16:41:04 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-5670 I am in TCS and the alligation is very TRUE. TCS makes the employes sign the contract, that clearly says that you can not leave TCS in USA else have to pay the company huge amount of money. The contract and other US paper work shows the gross salary of 48000$/annum. But The Tax returns on this salary is consumed by TCS. If an emplyoeer agrees to pay you some Gross salary, the employees are paying tax on it then they are the one to getting the returns also, not the company. I do not concur with the author, what is noble in it.... I am in TCS and the alligation is very TRUE. TCS makes the employes sign the contract, that clearly says that you can not leave TCS in USA else have to pay the company huge amount of money. The contract and other US paper work shows the gross salary of 48000$/annum. But The Tax returns on this salary is consumed by TCS. If an emplyoeer agrees to pay you some Gross salary, the employees are paying tax on it then they are the one to getting the returns also, not the company.
I do not concur with the author, what is noble in it….

]]> By: ex TCS http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-5612 ex TCS Thu, 08 Mar 2007 18:04:54 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-5612 well.. I too would like to find out. According to the same contract TCS made us sign when we came to US, I went back to India to leave TCS, paid the money stated by contract and thought they would leave me alone. Looks like the Accounts staff thinks they want to make more money out of me.. (Since I was the honest one).. and are not even ready to give my experience certificate to me without additional $1000. I mean,Is this how the largest S/W company of India conducts itself ? sucking money off its employees and even Ex-Employees ? Isn't it the duty of a company to provide Experience letters to people leaving ? Would someone tell me what noble intentions lie behind this ?? well.. I too would like to find out. According to the same contract TCS made us sign when we came to US, I went back to India to leave TCS, paid the money stated by contract and thought they would leave me alone. Looks like the Accounts staff thinks they want to make more money out of me.. (Since I was the honest one).. and are not even ready to give my experience certificate to me without additional $1000. I mean,Is this how the largest S/W company of India conducts itself ? sucking money off its employees and even Ex-Employees ? Isn’t it the duty of a company to provide Experience letters to people leaving ? Would someone tell me what noble intentions lie behind this ??

]]> By: M. Barrett http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-4864 M. Barrett Mon, 08 Jan 2007 19:13:20 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-4864 I was on the TCS management call when the new head of N America told everyone this lawsuit must go away or people's jobs will be in jeapordy. So it just fizzled away. I think that was an illegal statement to make which gives further proof that some of the brilliant Indian executives who come here to run big organizations don't have a clue how to operate in the US. The class action lawsuit was another bi-product of being stupid. If the intentions were good as the writer of this blog stated then they were stupid. But at least that is better than being malicious. I was on the TCS management call when the new head of N America told everyone this lawsuit must go away or people’s jobs will be in jeapordy. So it just fizzled away. I think that was an illegal statement to make which gives further proof that some of the brilliant Indian executives who come here to run big organizations don’t have a clue how to operate in the US. The class action lawsuit was another bi-product of being stupid. If the intentions were good as the writer of this blog stated then they were stupid. But at least that is better than being malicious.

]]> By: Annonymous http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-352 Annonymous Tue, 28 Nov 2006 12:27:45 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-352 what has happened ...there is info anywhere about this case. Is this case closed? Coporates Win? what has happened …there is info anywhere about this case.
Is this case closed? Coporates Win?

]]> By: Anadi http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-20 Anadi Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:08:55 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-20 Biggest fraud that I see all the Indian IT companies do is projecting the extra revenue, earned by employees working 12-14 hours while getting paid for 8 or 8.5 hours, as the proit margin. Biggest fraud that I see all the Indian IT companies do is projecting the extra revenue, earned by employees working 12-14 hours while getting paid for 8 or 8.5 hours, as the proit margin.

]]> By: ila http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-19 ila Sun, 28 May 2006 00:02:26 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-19 Ben, I didnt plan to react anymore to this post and this is for sure my last comment on the subject . a. "They dont complain because they dont realise they are getting exploited" Huh ? Are the IT engrs of TCS akin to the tribals of Jhabua who are so cut off from the mainstream they arent aware of their "rights" ? b."the client does pay the individual ". I doubt you'd find too many clients willing to risk hiring a freelancer and a foreign one at that. And while we are on the subject of exploitation , care to think about the Indians working in the Gulf ? Seeing the world in black and white means losing out on the shades of grey. Ben, I didnt plan to react anymore to this post and this is for sure my last comment on the subject .

a. “They dont complain because they dont realise they are getting exploited”

Huh ? Are the IT engrs of TCS akin to the tribals of Jhabua who are so cut off from the mainstream they arent aware of their “rights” ?

b.”the client does pay the individual “.

I doubt you’d find too many clients willing to risk hiring a freelancer and a foreign one at that.

And while we are on the subject of exploitation , care to think about the Indians working in the Gulf ?

Seeing the world in black and white means losing out on the shades of grey.

]]> By: ben http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-18 ben Thu, 25 May 2006 19:09:14 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-18 First of all, i dont think TCS is doing a favor to anyone bringing them to US earning atleast 50$ and paying them less than 15$. Even if it was a favor it is no reason to cheat them out of the money which righteously belong to them. All the IT companies (including Infosys which is a major offshore player) also does bear the various 'risks' mentioned..but they dont make it an excuse for fraud. When TCS does fixed budget projects most of the employees are in India (because of the Rupee versus dollar advantage) and these employees work for 10-12 hrs with out any additional pay. They dont complain because they dont realise they are getting exploited. The explanation which I have seen everyone give for this unpaid overtime is kinda funny.. a government employee makes 10 times less than what an IT employee makes. So an IT employee definitely ought to work all these extra hours for free. well.. thats a whole different story.. my point is the that, most of the TCS employees who are in US are directly billed by the client companies on a hourly basis. Thats why I dont agree with 'The client doesnt pay $$$ for an individual, he pays it to TCS' .. the client does pay the individual like they pay any second rate Indian consultancy in US. But when the consultancy company grows bigger and bigger, they tend to invent new levels of exploitation. When it crosses all limits, definitely someone raises a voice.. First of all, i dont think TCS is doing a favor to anyone bringing them to US earning atleast 50$ and paying them less than 15$. Even if it was a favor it is no reason to cheat them out of the money which righteously belong to them. All the IT companies (including Infosys which is a major offshore player) also does bear the various ‘risks’ mentioned..but they dont make it an excuse for fraud. When TCS does fixed budget projects most of the employees are in India (because of the Rupee versus dollar advantage) and these employees work for 10-12 hrs with out any additional pay. They dont complain because they dont realise they are getting exploited. The explanation which I have seen everyone give for this unpaid overtime is kinda funny.. a government employee makes 10 times less than what an IT employee makes. So an IT employee definitely ought to work all these extra hours for free. well.. thats a whole different story.. my point is the that, most of the TCS employees who are in US are directly billed by the client companies on a hourly basis. Thats why I dont agree with ‘The client doesnt pay $$$ for an individual, he pays it to TCS’ .. the client does pay the individual like they pay any second rate Indian consultancy in US. But when the consultancy company grows bigger and bigger, they tend to invent new levels of exploitation. When it crosses all limits, definitely someone raises a voice..

]]> By: Indian http://6ampacific.com/2006/02/18/class-action-lawsuit-against-tcs/#comment-17 Indian Tue, 23 May 2006 15:40:15 +0000 http://sixampacific.com/?p=7#comment-17 Ila, I agree with you regarding the risk factor. Certainly as a free lance programmer cannot command the same price. But tell me which industry on the face of this earth doesn't face risk? Risk is inherent in any business. This cannot be an excuse for companies to take huge cuts and I still maintain my stand on this. If you happen to visit any IT company in India on saturday or sunday, you will find people working - albeit unpaid. Each day an Indian IT worker puts around 10 hrs without any complaints. And Indian offshore majors want to have diversity in their workforce. This is the reason why you find chinese and european work force in Indian companies, and not because these people bring home any advantage, except may be to soothe political nerves in european or American markets. Many of them, atleast in the company that I work for, come to India for training, do the same work their Indian colleagues do, but surprisingly take american pay in India. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss further. programmer_indian@yahoo.com Ila, I agree with you regarding the risk factor. Certainly as a free lance programmer cannot command the same price. But tell me which industry on the face of this earth doesn’t face risk? Risk is inherent in any business. This cannot be an excuse for companies to take huge cuts and I still maintain my stand on this. If you happen to visit any IT company in India on saturday or sunday, you will find people working - albeit unpaid. Each day an Indian IT worker puts around 10 hrs without any complaints.
And Indian offshore majors want to have diversity in their workforce. This is the reason why you find chinese and european work force in Indian companies, and not because these people bring home any advantage, except may be to soothe political nerves in european or American markets. Many of them, atleast in the company that I work for, come to India for training, do the same work their Indian colleagues do, but surprisingly take american pay in India. Feel free to email me if you want to discuss further.
programmer_indian@yahoo.com

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